Stephen Jenkinson has been popping up all over for me, as has that masculinity podcast. I've listened to three or four episodes myself; I came to it via the interview with Martin Shaw, who I adore. Funny how our worlds all spin into one another's orbit, isn't it?
Don't be discouraged about your book proposal. It will find a home. Most publishers are knuckleheads these days.
There have been several times listening to Jenkinson these last several weeks when I've wondered to myself, "I wonder what Chris would say about that," so do report back if you go down the rabbit hole! And I love how these things overlap despite our seeming distance. It gives me hope that there is more going on after all.
I've listened to a couple of Jenkinson's interviews and I've ordered one of his books but have yet to start reading it. I'm sure I'll have something to say. Importantly, I was on the fence about whether or not I need a good hat after watching so many short videos with Martin Shaw, but now seeing Jenkinson's hat game too ... I kinda feel like I need one now to be properly beard-accessorized and wise. Or look the part anyway.
I was curious about your thoughts on Jenkinson because he does sometimes come off a tad arrogant and appropriative (if that's a word). But also, I really appreciate how he talks about responsibility and doesn't sugar coat things. It feels unique these days.
Shaw did the foreword to Jenkinson's Die Wise, so I ordered that one first. I'll report back, I'm sure. I keep checking Shaw's website to daydream about doing one of his rebel soul programs. Maybe someday. He does have a great hat game. I wish hats would come back as a regular thing. You guys with those epic beards can definitely pull them off! It seems like a requirement for you storytellers at any rate.
I think part of the problem with patriarchy and even matriarchy is that for me it connotes “power over.” Instead of wise elders (male or female) who use their power for others. Maybe it didn’t always mean that but for me it definitely does.
That makes total sense, Annette. It has that connotation for me too. That is why I thought the original etymology was so interesting, which seems more in line with your idea of eldership and power for instead of power over. But of course, the only examples throughout history that I can think of are of the power over/toxic patriarchy variety. Maybe the original meaning has never really been attempted - or at least not widely enough for it to be an alternative to the status quo. Although, it seems to me that many indigenous cultures were probably closer to that original meaning.
It makes me think of that quote about Christianity - Chesterton maybe? Something along the lines that it isn't that Christianity has been tried and found wanting; it's that it's never really been tried.
Stephen Jenkinson has been popping up all over for me, as has that masculinity podcast. I've listened to three or four episodes myself; I came to it via the interview with Martin Shaw, who I adore. Funny how our worlds all spin into one another's orbit, isn't it?
Don't be discouraged about your book proposal. It will find a home. Most publishers are knuckleheads these days.
There have been several times listening to Jenkinson these last several weeks when I've wondered to myself, "I wonder what Chris would say about that," so do report back if you go down the rabbit hole! And I love how these things overlap despite our seeming distance. It gives me hope that there is more going on after all.
Thanks for the book encouragement.
I've listened to a couple of Jenkinson's interviews and I've ordered one of his books but have yet to start reading it. I'm sure I'll have something to say. Importantly, I was on the fence about whether or not I need a good hat after watching so many short videos with Martin Shaw, but now seeing Jenkinson's hat game too ... I kinda feel like I need one now to be properly beard-accessorized and wise. Or look the part anyway.
I was curious about your thoughts on Jenkinson because he does sometimes come off a tad arrogant and appropriative (if that's a word). But also, I really appreciate how he talks about responsibility and doesn't sugar coat things. It feels unique these days.
Shaw did the foreword to Jenkinson's Die Wise, so I ordered that one first. I'll report back, I'm sure. I keep checking Shaw's website to daydream about doing one of his rebel soul programs. Maybe someday. He does have a great hat game. I wish hats would come back as a regular thing. You guys with those epic beards can definitely pull them off! It seems like a requirement for you storytellers at any rate.
I think part of the problem with patriarchy and even matriarchy is that for me it connotes “power over.” Instead of wise elders (male or female) who use their power for others. Maybe it didn’t always mean that but for me it definitely does.
That makes total sense, Annette. It has that connotation for me too. That is why I thought the original etymology was so interesting, which seems more in line with your idea of eldership and power for instead of power over. But of course, the only examples throughout history that I can think of are of the power over/toxic patriarchy variety. Maybe the original meaning has never really been attempted - or at least not widely enough for it to be an alternative to the status quo. Although, it seems to me that many indigenous cultures were probably closer to that original meaning.
It makes me think of that quote about Christianity - Chesterton maybe? Something along the lines that it isn't that Christianity has been tried and found wanting; it's that it's never really been tried.